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. >>> now over to japan, where election timing may spell budget delays. we have the story from tokyo. >> the election campaign has officially kicked off in japan, but there are worries the budget is not likely to be ready pi the end of this year. they will likely call a special session to elect a new prime minister, then select a cabinet before moving on to budget matters. once they reconvene in january, the new government would likely pass the supplementary budget first before submitting its fiscal 2013 plan in february. so a senior lawmaker predicts that the fiscal 2013 budget will not actually pass until mid may. that's more than a month into the new fiscal year. and if the government can't get the job done by the end of march, a provisional budget will be needed. opinion polls show the gap between the ldp and the ruling democratic party has been narrowing. that means if the ldp can't get their majority, these bills could be delayed even more. back to you, ross. >> all right, thanks for that. that's the late fres the nikkei. still to come, the business
. >>> now over to japan, where election timing may spell budget delays. we have the story from tokyo. >> the election campaign has officially kicked off in japan, but there are worries the budget is not likely to be ready pi the end of this year. they will likely call a special session to elect a new prime minister, then select a cabinet before moving on to budget matters. once they reconvene in january, the new government would likely pass the supplementary budget first before...
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he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we have a pretty good caucus now. there's a real strong jim demint influence in our caucus. >> great stuff. senator rand paul, kentucky, thank you sir. all the best. >> thank you. >>> so besides praising jim demint, senator rand paul said something very interesting. he said he will not vote for a filibuster. he said, let larry reid, no filibust filibuster, 51 vote, simple majority and then he will vote no and let the democrats have the onus of the big tax hike. quite interesting. now here's a political threat. is the republicans at risk of becomin
he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we...
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i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath you, 27 days and 12 hours. gentlemen, appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you. governors gilmore and davis. >>> let's get to brian sullivan with the market flash. brian? >>> perhaps not happy here, carl, pby is falling today. they swupg to a third quarter loss. you can see the stock is down 13%, $6.8 million loss, basically 13 cents per adjusted share of a loss. wall street was expecting a prof profit. sales fell 2.4% quarter over quarter. of course the whole autoparts phase with a lot of action around this name, pby has been stuck in an $8 to $12 range for the better par
i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath...
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all due respect to our elected officials, there was a fellow named la guardia, who during world war ii entered new york city as the mayor. one of the top three mayors in the united states of america, he went in when there was business problems. there were deficits, unemployment, just like it was today, horrible. but he made a statement that changed everything. it was this. i'm going to keep my promises and if i don't keep my promises, get me the hell out of there. we want to see more politician do this. make all these promises and don't follow through. if they did that, i have a thing called accountabilitycampaign.com where you say what your promises are. and add a small paragraph, i will do it my first year, start it my first year and tell you why i couldn't or resign. >> so you can with the accountability campaign you want to encourage transparency. >> full transparency and accountability. if my ceos or i myself didn't do what i promised or delivered i shouldn't have my job. get me out of there. la guardia did that. he reacted and had results within six months his results started. fa
all due respect to our elected officials, there was a fellow named la guardia, who during world war ii entered new york city as the mayor. one of the top three mayors in the united states of america, he went in when there was business problems. there were deficits, unemployment, just like it was today, horrible. but he made a statement that changed everything. it was this. i'm going to keep my promises and if i don't keep my promises, get me the hell out of there. we want to see more politician...
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but he told us that's not going to happen, and he got re-elected. what does it matter? it doesn't raise a lot of money. why didn't he just say that we're taking the able of social security to 6, cutting the military budget. the democrats will be committing political suicide and the republicans. that's why i was hoping that congress would rise above and figure out a more reasonable way to spend less and take in more money over time and get the budget over time. the moronic cliff doesn't hurt. what do we need? i have to use his words because it's like a curse word. compromise. it used to be the american way. compromise, that's considered to be sinking below. you know i favor higher stock prices, that's my mantra. i'm not sure that cutting all these programs quickly, that's what the quick jump would do is the way to get to higher stock prices, austerity means that tax hikes will go higher. unlike the rest of the 98%, you won't hurt the market as much as if you make everybody pay. the 2% save more and the 98% spent more. but what really hurts is no deal at all. the presiden
but he told us that's not going to happen, and he got re-elected. what does it matter? it doesn't raise a lot of money. why didn't he just say that we're taking the able of social security to 6, cutting the military budget. the democrats will be committing political suicide and the republicans. that's why i was hoping that congress would rise above and figure out a more reasonable way to spend less and take in more money over time and get the budget over time. the moronic cliff doesn't hurt....
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i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if the coin flip comes up. so i think that eat big problem right now. >> i initially read the "new york times" piece about boehner gaining some backing of the house. it's basically saying the guys that wouldn't have gone along with them before in caving are now ready to careful with them. so it's like the same article. >> i think it's 50/50 that we don't get that. i'm not exactly sure that the president doesn't think that if we question over the cliff, that he can blame that on republicans. and then try to fix it next year. but from a position of money. >> secretary geithner said they're ready to go
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he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a -- how many times can you tell us that monster drinks aren't any worse and may actually be better than a cup of joe from starbucks? let us count the ways that this analyst meeting slash lovefest, they will tell you that there's no better way to preserve your heart than to drink a taste of monster every morning. now, analysts will be plenty hopped up when they come out of this meeting because they'll be recommending this stock in high-speed fashion. next on wednesday we're going to get the results from joy global. here's the company that has the best read on chinese growth of all the companies i follow. in fact, joy global call
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the storm and the election. staying with clothing, vera bradley -- well, handbags. those shares also tanking and they are blaming sandy as well but also noted their holiday season is off to a slow start. jeffri jeffries raising the tart fro tm $22 to $20. not all bad news. finisar, higher demand for tranceivers. what else? the stock down 17% year to date. finally, zynga. take a look at shares. they are up nearly 7% because they filed for a gambling license. that is right. the virtual game company wants to become a real poker company. let's bring in julia boorstin with more on this zynga story. seems like if they get it, a completely transformative thing. >> it would be transformative and zynga's definitely pushing forward with its plans to eventually make money from online gambling but the key thing here is that this is really a ways off. the stock soared as much as 9% higher this morning after it came out that zynga applied for real money gaming license in nevada which the company says will take as much as 18 months to get approved. but we have to remember that onl
the storm and the election. staying with clothing, vera bradley -- well, handbags. those shares also tanking and they are blaming sandy as well but also noted their holiday season is off to a slow start. jeffri jeffries raising the tart fro tm $22 to $20. not all bad news. finisar, higher demand for tranceivers. what else? the stock down 17% year to date. finally, zynga. take a look at shares. they are up nearly 7% because they filed for a gambling license. that is right. the virtual game...
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he's had ever since september of 2011 when the grand bargain talks broke out -- broke down and post-election he's made clear this is going to remain an element of his strategy, is campaigning with the public. he made that trip to pennsylvania last week. he's trying to use the public, which polls show agrees with him on some of the key questions like top rate, to put pressure on the congress to move. we'll see how effective that can be. certainly it hasn't been effecti effective heretofore but it is possible it could and the president believes having won the election he's on the high side. >> 2:00 on twitter. john, thanks very much. >>> one of the overhangs for the fiscal cliff for investors is what will happen on dividend tax rates. more and more corporations aren't waiting to find out exactly what happens with more than $22.5 billion worth of special difficult sends having been announced from 98 companies in the fourth quarter so far. today, hca, dish network, cato joining the list. jim iuorio is a cnbc contributor. >> i've been looking at this from every ang toll fiangle to find a tradable
he's had ever since september of 2011 when the grand bargain talks broke out -- broke down and post-election he's made clear this is going to remain an element of his strategy, is campaigning with the public. he made that trip to pennsylvania last week. he's trying to use the public, which polls show agrees with him on some of the key questions like top rate, to put pressure on the congress to move. we'll see how effective that can be. certainly it hasn't been effecti effective heretofore but...
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. >> we all know it was a very hotly contested presidential election, and of course your dad, donald, has been on our program a lot. he was a big supporter of romney. there were stories going around that you said, dad, pull it back a bit. you don't have to be so negative on the president. is that what happened? >> it was fascinating because this was a widely circulated report that was without fact at all, and not one reporter actually called and asked the question you just did, which is, is that true? no, it wasn't. my father has been a very important part of the dialogue. he's been saying a lot of things that other people, you know, not wanting to be in a space where they're talking about politics, they don't see it as advantageous. they're not really speaking their minds. it would not be my place to tell him to tone anything down. >> are you worried about the fiscal cliff? how is business going? you're an entrepreneur in your own right. i want to talk to you about business, but how you preparing for the cliff? >> well, there's no way one can be preparing. you have to be think about
. >> we all know it was a very hotly contested presidential election, and of course your dad, donald, has been on our program a lot. he was a big supporter of romney. there were stories going around that you said, dad, pull it back a bit. you don't have to be so negative on the president. is that what happened? >> it was fascinating because this was a widely circulated report that was without fact at all, and not one reporter actually called and asked the question you just did,...
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i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our deal gets carved out? >> well, when you start to hear some things from the senate leadership, then you'll know we're getting close to getting something done. and right now they're sending out minions and talking about things that i think are really, you know, staking out claims so they can say they've done that for their constituencies. but it's time right now for the moderates on both sides to step up. for those that are not necessarily at risk of losing elections in the near term to step up and say, listen, just like the leaders said earlier in the program. this is a math problem. it's really no
i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our...
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after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved higher. but we'll see what happens there. then the other thing is natural gas at a two-month low and moving lower because of all the warm weather in the markets now. nat gas subpoena in fact we come off this low here. with the market up 20 points here, what do you make of this -- of our model portfolio fiscal cliff portfolios? >> i was very surprised that it crossed today. i mean, with very little activity, very little movement on pretty much any stock that it crossed today. i was surprised with that. i'm becoming a little more convinced that we're not going to have any resolution at all. i thought the
after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved...
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simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because they took the grover norquist no new tax pledge. in that scenario, rising above, my pin means absolutely nothing. rise above what? the oath you gave to your voters? to these hardened partisans to rise above means rising above compromise. compromise is bad. right? i mean they think compromise is bad. they want to rise above it. they think it's a higher ground than not compromise. what's amazing to me is that when congress came up with this ridiculous cliff idea, there were legislators who believed that if these draconian changes were to become law, it would be so obvious we would be thrown into recession that it wouldn't happen. that fact was supposed to create compromise, instead, neither side seems at all fearful for recession. it's amazing how bold they are or maybe how stupid they are and to the gop, obama's re-election clearly meant nothing at all. it's almost as if neither side realizes how many people are simply just pla
simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because they took the grover norquist no new tax pledge. in that scenario, rising above, my pin means absolutely nothing. rise above what? the oath you gave to your voters? to these hardened partisans to rise above means rising above compromise. compromise is bad. right? i mean they think compromise is bad. they want to rise above it. they...
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he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right after the re-election. he's become harder line. i agree with that point. doug, you know the numbers. once again, i ask you, does boehner's idea of capping upper end deductions work to raise revenues, heaven forbid without damaging the middle class? does it work? >> yes, absolutely it works, and, you know, it's important to recognize we have two different problems. problem number one is the fiscal cliff and threat of recession. raising any more taxes doesn't make any sense. this is politics trumping economic sense. second problem is fixing the debt and there's this debate about how much revenue, how much spending. balance means heavy on spending lighter on taxes and bowles-simpson told us the route to do that is tax reform. >> much more fun by the way to have 4% or 5% growth than to equitable about 1% or 2% growth. thank you gentlemen. we appreciate it. now to another controversy. are minorities especially latinos a lost cause for republicans and conservative principles? i say no, but our next guest star par
he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right after the re-election. he's become harder line. i agree with that point. doug, you know the numbers. once again, i ask you, does boehner's idea of capping upper end deductions work to raise revenues, heaven forbid without damaging the middle class? does it work? >> yes, absolutely it works, and, you know, it's important to recognize we have two different problems. problem number one is the fiscal cliff and threat of recession. raising...
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. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in the meantime, let's talk about some of the other headlines. financial firms are gathering for the goldman sachs financial services contractors. a key presenter is brian money tha moynihan. we talked about his reports of planned fee increases. plus there was the issue of president obama's likely pick to follow tim geithner at treasury. we talked about how buffett threw out jamie dimon's name. here is what moynihan thinks about that idea. >> i won't give individual names, but i think what warren is expressing a view which i agree with is that we need to have very bright, very talented and very broad experienced people help pus
. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in...
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we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now stalled at this stage. remember we had the auction in spain yesterday and the yields are slightly higher relative to where we've been, they're still relatively depressed. we talk about the problems in europe, i thought it was worth pointing out amidst all the malaise what is happening in germany today an astounding manufacturing german manufacturing orders result from germany up 3.9% in october, a phenomenal performance from german industry and it's worth bearing in mind that german industry is basically in a single currency that is too low arguably for what it should be at. the deutsche mark would ha
we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now...
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tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would extend the so-called bush era tax cuts for people earning less than $250,000. it requires 218 signatures. that means you've got to get some republicans to sign on. do you have any indication that any people will break from speaker boehner and sign your petition? >> i think so. i know one for example, my friend walter jones down in north carolina, said that he's open to it. i think i need 41 people now. we've got 177. i need 41 people to come forward and i think what's really interesting about this is, republicans aren't violating any pledge on this. they are assuring taxes don't go up. i see no reason why we can
tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would...
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the administration is playing what it believes to be a stronger hand here essentially coming off the election, melissa, they think they have the power here and also the polls are in their favor. we'll talk about that tomorrow when we talk about the cnbc all america survey. >> steve, thanks for that interview. exclusive with secretary geithner. let's pop and drop. canadian pacific railway up 4%. >> we didn't talk about this railroad but we talked about some of the railroads that might benefit from the strike. this is not a factor from that. the railroads are rallying. >> got a pop here for the ishares china 2025. jim? >> china broke out. a lot of people looking for ways to expose it. the china ftse. this is a place i think we're goings higher. >> gnat gas up 4%. >> got a beth of a boost. also from companies wanting to get a little more gassy. >> oh. >> well, they are. they want to get some of this natural gas offshore and i still like it. >> grasso? >> i bought mc, i bought ac steel and i bought big steel, leonard x. i've already sold all three. i've clipped my profit. i'm done for now. if the
the administration is playing what it believes to be a stronger hand here essentially coming off the election, melissa, they think they have the power here and also the polls are in their favor. we'll talk about that tomorrow when we talk about the cnbc all america survey. >> steve, thanks for that interview. exclusive with secretary geithner. let's pop and drop. canadian pacific railway up 4%. >> we didn't talk about this railroad but we talked about some of the railroads that...
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>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the opportunity for the president to eclipse the whole thing, i don't think he's going to but he could eclipse the whole scene. let's not relitigate '01 and '03 let's bridge to tax reform and move forward. the senate democrats not answering their phones are the ones to ask about this one. >> congressman, thank you for being on. >>> the final countdown to the jobs report. stick around. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional valu
>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the...
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we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for profit growth in '14. >> you point out that your sector positioning, you say it's cautious, but you are upping technology to overweight. underweighting domestic cyclical. if cap-ex is a phenomenon next year why would you not be more highly leveraged to that? >> well, we think that first of all, the numbers, and the valuations, look fully played out. we think they still have housing market euphoria. and, have looked at things like consumer confidence going up, at least until friday, as a result of house prices stabilizing. for us, that's the reason why
we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for...
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doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless claims to sustain that renewal again which i think is a bad idea, that's 30 to $35 billion a year. i heard many democrats say that's a small amount, why shouldn't we do that? that's about halfway to the total amount they're talking about taxes. but whent's that, it's small. but when it's the 70 to $80 billion am toortized over ten years, all of a sudden it's big. i'm not saying don't raise taxes. if i signed the pledge, i would do it for good reasons. i haven't seen a good reason. i haven't seen a plan that promotes the big guy in the room. >> see you in the next hou
doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the...
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i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because of sandy or something else, we come back. this economy is super resilient and i think we'll be able to go over the cliff or go through the cliff without having a recession. >> i hope you're right. my concern is that you are absolutely wrong. actually the economy is slowing to stall speed and markets could correct badly on the news moving forward. we learned this week that manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. we had analysts on the program talking about the channel checks indicating softness for a second month and today goldman has downgraded growth in the f
i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because...
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they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation. i did want to remind john that he should look at the young, newer members that are so difficult to persuade to make an easy deal compromise. and remember, it wasn't too many years ago, john, that was you and me and we were driving bob michael and president bush nuts when the democrats were offering them, give us the tax increases now, we'll give you the spending cuts later and we were saying, oh, no, they'll never keep their word on the spending cuts. they'll tax the tax increases. quite frankly, the speaker has a difficult role to play here. he's seen by so many people as the principal guardian of our
they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation....
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. >>> these right, tie less, the gop sending a big message, hey, blue states, you re-elected the president. you pay the bills. how they want to raise money and why your mortgage interest deduction may be at risk. >>> bill gross says this may not even matter. we still have way too much debt. bill cross is here with some investable ideas for you. >>> plus, extreme hoarding, dividend edition and we unveil the one sector of the stock market that nearly everybody agrees is a must own, man kim. >> hi there, brian. hello, everybody. get another slow day for the market, stocks moving between gains and losses. bob, i don't want to begin with the macromarkets. i want to begin with the retailers. yesterday, the s & p retail index hit a record high. today, not so much. >> i think that is a sign of a little bit bit of concern going on. show what you has been going on. a lot of the big retailers are weak today. comment specifically on gap but noted, for example that kohl's had very high inventory levels and a concern that might make the season more promotional and specifically affect gap. see it down 7%
. >>> these right, tie less, the gop sending a big message, hey, blue states, you re-elected the president. you pay the bills. how they want to raise money and why your mortgage interest deduction may be at risk. >>> bill gross says this may not even matter. we still have way too much debt. bill cross is here with some investable ideas for you. >>> plus, extreme hoarding, dividend edition and we unveil the one sector of the stock market that nearly everybody agrees is...
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you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when you do it. then the mid-term elections will roll around and they'll be in great shape. the republicans will get voted in. another plan. you got spending up here, revenue down here. we got to narrow that gachlt they should make it clear to the democrats, pick any number of revenue increase you want. remember the spending cuts number has to be greater. let's see them live with that. >> that's the thing, mark. just to follow up on that. such an important point. everyone is obsessed with the taxes. taxes are very important. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is
you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when...
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>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a sound fiscal footing and change this trajectory that we're on, there perhaps could be some republican support for it. i'm not sure where i would come in. >> the -- part of the cliff that bothers you the most is that you'd like to do something with the sequester? or, if we were to sunset all the bush tax cuts? that would -- >> that would go -- republicans want to get rid of the deficit. that almost cures the deficit. and that was the rates that we had at one point. and they were supposed to sunset. and i guess there's never a good time. but what if they all sunsetted and you did
>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a...
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sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >> the fed is important. it's another one of those two-day meetings. they're going to take down operation twist. this will be important because he gets to announce at a press conference. that gives them a chance to explain what the mood of the meeting was. it will give them a chance to hear what the new proposal, qe whatever, is supposed to do and how they want to set it up. so i think the markets will hone in on that very, very carefully. >> do you think we see an acceleration of purchases, a revamp of twists? will there be an event as i said earlier? >
sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >>...
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andrea merkel has to get elected in the second half of next year. that's going to make it difficult for any pro-growth solutions to appear in europe. i think, frankly, i'm not that confident that the market hasn't already positively priced in a fiscal cliff resolution. i think the first half is like a bungee jump. >> so dan, cut through all of that, right. if we could put aside trying to forecast where the s&p is going to be, where the dow is going to be, regardless of where the markets in general are going to be, i believe you have stock picks for us. name what they are and will they be able to perform regardless of the macro environment? >> all right. we are focused on. companies that can grow regardless of what happens in the economy. three stocks we like, one is denbury resources. what's interesting about them is they have hedged their forward sales of oil so the lowest they're going to receive is $80 next year. at those rates, they're going to be a very profitable company. it's a very inexpensive stock. we like that. it's a u.s. oil producer as
andrea merkel has to get elected in the second half of next year. that's going to make it difficult for any pro-growth solutions to appear in europe. i think, frankly, i'm not that confident that the market hasn't already positively priced in a fiscal cliff resolution. i think the first half is like a bungee jump. >> so dan, cut through all of that, right. if we could put aside trying to forecast where the s&p is going to be, where the dow is going to be, regardless of where the...
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campaigned and won on a platform of higher taxes for the wealthy and the republicans say they were elected because they pledged to behind the scenes power broker grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of washington next week. i'm no
campaigned and won on a platform of higher taxes for the wealthy and the republicans say they were elected because they pledged to behind the scenes power broker grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation...
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house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what is the credit sauce? we'll dig into it. but first here's my take. as we debate whether the two parties can ever come together and get things done, here is something president obama could do probably by himself that would be a single accomplishment of his presidency, end the war on terror. for the first time since 9/11, an administration official has raised this prospect. said in a speech to the oxford union last week, that as the battle against al qaeda continues, there will be come a tipping point as so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda have killed or captures such as al qaeda as we know it has been effectivel
house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what...
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washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for pot smokers here in washington state, it is a day for celebration and partying. the legalization of pot. but proponents of this initiative say this is only the first step. this is what you assume the stores will look like? >> yeah. our stores are going to have the feel of a fine cigar shop. >> reporter: jaman was at microsoft and preparing to open as many as two dozen high end marijuana shops in washington and colorado. yesterday he'd be called a drug dealer. today, an entrepreneur. >> our target market is baby boomers. folks tried it in college a couple times, maybe they didn't
washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for...
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you understand there was a huge gender gap for democrats in this last elections. republicans have to look at that and say, okay, we have to get something done. but let me add this. when peter hart actually laid out on the table here are the choices you have to make on spending and here are the choices you have to make on taxes, they had a little bit more difficult time in deciding what to do. so they began to realize the extent of the difficulty in cutting any real deal. >> yeah. not belittling the difficulty. these are tough, tough issues. but the stakes are really, really important right now. there is a little wiggle room. >> yeah. >> as far as the president and the democrats are concerned when it comes to raising tax rates for the wealthy. >> sure. the president's been very careful not to say we have to go up to the clinton-era 39.6%. he hasn't used that number. and so he's -- you know -- >> right now it's 35%. >> right now it's 35%. so if you look in the middle, okay, 37% is a real possibility. but here's the caveat. john boehner, the house speaker, cannot tak
you understand there was a huge gender gap for democrats in this last elections. republicans have to look at that and say, okay, we have to get something done. but let me add this. when peter hart actually laid out on the table here are the choices you have to make on spending and here are the choices you have to make on taxes, they had a little bit more difficult time in deciding what to do. so they began to realize the extent of the difficulty in cutting any real deal. >> yeah. not...
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the american people re-elected him and they re-elected us. that's not a mandate to raise taxes. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he
the american people re-elected him and they re-elected us. that's not a mandate to raise taxes. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest...
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today in cairo the most violent street fighting since the election of egypt's mohammed morsi. the army called in the tanks when the protesters got close to the presidential palace. soldiers and armored vehicles shut down a demonstration by both supporters and opponents of the president. they left behind piles of rubble, burning cars, month sense of stability as a major nationwide vote gets one day closer. president morsi said a few hours ago he is going to address the egyptian people. he has not yet, but when that happens, we're going to bring that to you live. >>> nerve agents locked and loaded ready to be used against a syrian people. now, that scenario now a reality. that is according to nbc news. now, it says that syria's military has loaded the component chemicals for the deadly nerve gas into aerial bombs that could be dropped from their fighter jets. i want to bring in paula gorani about this because you have a different take on this. i know there's a lot of breath held. you say that they're not necessarily on that path. >> i believe that there's analysis that is very c
today in cairo the most violent street fighting since the election of egypt's mohammed morsi. the army called in the tanks when the protesters got close to the presidential palace. soldiers and armored vehicles shut down a demonstration by both supporters and opponents of the president. they left behind piles of rubble, burning cars, month sense of stability as a major nationwide vote gets one day closer. president morsi said a few hours ago he is going to address the egyptian people. he has...
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he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know w
he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would...
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two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the senate. i'm going to guarantee you that the democrats in the senate are going to be split on this business of who's rich and what the right tax rates are going to be. >> i have to leave it there, chaps. nick, larry, thank you both much, indeed. >>> coming up next, kerry kennedy joins me about fame, politics and most important of all, taylor swift. like a lot of things, trying to find a better job can be frustrating. so at university of phoenix we're working with a growing list of almost two thousand corporate partners - companies like microsoft, american red cross and adobe - t
two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the...
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this is impressive given by the uncertainty of the presidential election. businesses are holding firm in their hiring and firing decisions. another unusual factor in the numbers, the layoffs and strikes at hostess. those could also affect the numbers. hostess filed for bankruptcy last month. i want to bring you up to speed on facebook moving on up. the social network will be listed oven the nasdaq 100. it could be added to the s&p 500 soon. the shares were down nearly 30% since that much-hyped ipo. market value is about $60 billion. it would rank monothe top 50 largest companies on the index. one strategist says the move is eminent. >>> we're following breaking news. an earthquake rattles tokyo and there are injuries reported. >>> hold up, an escalator goes out of control with shoppers aboard sending them flying. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can m
this is impressive given by the uncertainty of the presidential election. businesses are holding firm in their hiring and firing decisions. another unusual factor in the numbers, the layoffs and strikes at hostess. those could also affect the numbers. hostess filed for bankruptcy last month. i want to bring you up to speed on facebook moving on up. the social network will be listed oven the nasdaq 100. it could be added to the s&p 500 soon. the shares were down nearly 30% since that...
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engage in policies that damage everyone's wellbeing over the long term looking out for their own re-election prospects. >> wait, wait. >> they're really political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of the citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. >> last i checked -- >> beforehand rather than subsidize development and dangerous areas and that's moral hazard and that's something that's bringing the country to the knees economically. >> last i checked you look out for yourself. >> that's public servants are supposed to do, roland. >> no. in new york, you are concerned about new york and not california. you focus on where you are. that's the reality. >> all right. we are going to hit pause there. please let us know what you think about that conversation on twitter and facebook page. >>> next, when's a bigger insult? being called, you know, lame duck congress or new york jet? ts to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot believe i have ended the
engage in policies that damage everyone's wellbeing over the long term looking out for their own re-election prospects. >> wait, wait. >> they're really political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of the citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. >> last i checked -- >> beforehand rather than subsidize development and dangerous areas and that's moral hazard and that's something that's bringing the country to the knees economically. >>...
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and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei ining blamed by a pri contender with the field. that doesn't mean they are obliged to stop this. his own party is slit. you are seeing groups coming out saying i'm prepared to go for a few more taxes. >> from both sides. on this, not exactly. this is one of the things that interested me. there is a lot of people in the republican party, in the senate who have said look, $250,000 is not a rich man, but it is not a rich person in new york city or loss ang. and the rates, which they want to go from 35 to 39.6%. maybe you are going to have to raise the threshold to get a deal. maybe you
and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei...
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he could be concerned about every citizen in the state that he was elected to serve. his job -- those are his constituents and that's his job. >> look, i see where you come from. we have to think about this in a broader sense. if every state is looking out for itself, there's going to free ride. they're going to engage in policies that damage everyone's well-being over the long term by looking out for their own re-election prospects. these guys are being political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of their citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. rather than sub sid dies development in really dangerous areas. that's called moral hazard, and that's something that's really bringing the country to its knees economically. >> last i checked, you look out for yourself. you might say that's not a great idea, if you're in new york -- actually, no, if you're in new york you're concerned about new york and not about california. you focus on where you are. that's a reality. >> all right. thanks very much to both of us. please let us know what you
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they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have governors. a lot of diversity. duval patrick and we can all look as governor cuomo, you have elizabeth warren that might be considered presidential. so i don't want to throw all our eggs in one basket because there are so many wonderful people. martin o'malley, for example, the governor of colorado. like the republicans, this will be a large field of candidates, but there's fo question if secretary of state hillary clinton decided to throw her gloves into the race, game on. >> she got a lot of competition. >> david frum, you think the republican party's
they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have...
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i mean i won the election. i had the leverage, why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. early this week, i found my way into the congressional cafeteria, and what do i see? john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell them what your so called friends did to your office desk? >> it was a rubber snake. >> a rubber snake. and did it scare you? >> it did. >> i was so heart broken to hear this, i said look, how about this, john. if you agree to a 1% raise on the top two americans, just two people, i will dissolve social security -- dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans, and congress, and what do they do? >> they invited me to a pizza party. >> and when you got there? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then
i mean i won the election. i had the leverage, why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. early this week, i found my way into the congressional cafeteria, and what do i see? john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell...
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it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and the youth and this sort of idealism might perhaps come from a rubio or ryan on the republican side? >> well, if i look at that poll you were referring to, hillary clinton is the overwhelming favorite among young people, especially young women. young people and young women, clearly they're going to help determine future elections. look, i think paul ryan and marco rubio, are trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and, perhaps, big ideas and a larger goalpost. i want to also say this because i have to say this as
it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and...